I recently participated in a workshop focusing on exploring the under story of a poem. The aim being to enable the poet to perceive the creative process from which the poem had sprung, the issues that had promoted the writing, the space where poems are created. The aim was to create a dialogue between the poets in that space and see where it led. It was fascinating stuff facilitated by the wonderful Charlotte Gann.
A brief word of explanation about the layout of the interview. Since blogspot updated their platform I have been experiencing difficulties with spacing and because Charlotte's poems are so exquisite I have decided to use photographs of the poems rather than blunt their beauty with coarse spacing.
Charlotte is an accomplished poet, but rather than me bigging her up let's hear her talk .
Tell us about the new
collection
Well,
it’s not THAT new
any more – but did come out in lockdown. The
Girl Who Cried,
my second book from HappenStance.
The poems are title-less so sort of run into each other. Some of them
are illustrated or accompanied by little line drawings. The book’s
an exploration and admission, for me: every day of my life, I’ve
lived with longing, arguably as a result of early attachment
difficulties. ‘The Girl Who Cried’ of the title is a core part of
me.
Lots
of the poems are short: I thought of them as ‘woodcut’ poems as I
wrote them.
Music, poetry or film?
Which speaks the most to you?
Um..,
you’ve just named my three favourite things. I called my first book
Noir
partly because people said how filmic the poems were. I love film, as
a medium. The palette, the framing. Music has always been central for
me (when I was young, as this picture may suggest, mainly Bowie).
And then there's been poetry.
Ah, poetry... From Keats to Stevie Smith to TS Eliot when I was young
to…..ALL my touchstone poems today. (Right now I’m working my way
through the Collected
Poems of Raymond
Carver.)
So
probably a poetic film with music.
What
do you want your poetry to do?/what do you want to evoke in the
reader/listener?
I
want them to sense the life in the poem. Recognise it – something
palpable. I’m interested in that place where thought and feeling
meet; my poems are my emotions distilled, framed. It’s been about
trying to find language. I want a reader to notice if they have that
feeling in themself. I’m curious about resonance, and often writing
about the other side of that coin: loneliness. If a reader recognises
the emotion maybe that leaves us both subtly less isolated. I know
that’s the effect reading can
have on me.
I’ve
focused a lot of my poems on areas of my life that caused me distress
over decades, however ‘irrationally’. All I can do is share my
feelings truthfully. So that’s what I’ve done. I wanted to leave
a record: a kind of refusal, eventually, to suffer in silence. I like
that adage cited by Banksy(?): art should comfort the disturbed and
disturb the comfortable. Yes.
If
you could become a character in fiction, or film who would you be and
why?
One
of those good, grounded policewomen. Catherine Cawood in
Happy Valley.
Marge Gunderson in Fargo.
Most recently, Mare Sheehan in Mare
of Easttown. In
fiction, my favourite characters are ones I massively empathise with
– George Harvey Bone in Patrick Hamilton’s Hangover
Square, Frankie
Addams in Carson McCullers’ The
Member of the Wedding.
I wouldn’t want to
be them though. Too
close to how I am already.
How
far does real life creep into your work?
It’s there at its core – as in, my work is totally truthful.
Emotionally so.
But
in another way, my poems topple ‘real life’ on its side: I’m
interested in showing the underbelly, the stuff that’s normally
hidden. Unobvious loneliness.
Since
writing the books, I’ve started calling this my ‘Understory’.
What
makes you angry?
Abuse of power, in all its guises. Exploitation of vulnerability.
Nothing makes me angrier than this. And it makes me angry on a daily
basis.
Name
something you love and why?
Potatoes. And cats. They’ve both always comforted me.
What
would be your dream project?
My dream project? The question
makes me happy. I’ve always pictured this imaginary set of rooms
where people come and meet and talk. I’ve been there forever, and
am somehow pivotal. Whatever the precise function it combines all my
passions: writing, expression, group-work, therapeutic heartful
communication practices… Maybe I’m trying to work towards this
now, with my project The
Understory Conversation.
How
do you navigate the poetry world?
I have some firm allies and circles. Friends. I talk to other poets;
read books; review pamphlets for Sphinx;
convene local readings with the other Needlewriters:
so I’ve found modest, regular ways to contribute. I’m in a number
of groups. I try not to worry too much about prize lists or noise or
to overly focus on social media. I try to keep things in perspective.
I have found my little corner.
Plus,
increasingly, I picture this scene, like a cartoon or mantra (a
friend drew my attention to it originally, and he is not
a poet):
“The
poet is to give a reading from his new book… the dutiful publisher
carries a dozen copies of the poet’s new book to sell at the
reading… Now it is over, and the publisher gathers up the unsold
books, counting them glumly… he trudges home, weary and puzzled –
How can thirteen copies be left over from a dozen?” ['DJ Enright, from his collection Under the Circumstances: Poems and Proses, Oxford Poets, 1999.']
i.e. poetry’s a very strange
old business! A way of being safely i.e invisibly visible? Gotta love
it.
(both
poems from The
Girl Who Cried,
HappenStance,
2020)
Thanks Charlotte, I honestly cannot recommend The Girl Who Cried enough. Do yourself a favour and get it here.
Until next time.